Although this scenario is unlikely, and is more likely to take place through a proxy war, should Russia invade Turkey, who would win? Who would win in a fair standoff between the two rival nations? It's a bit irrelevant to ignore any and all alliances and geopolitical setting when discussing this, because if things were different well...things would be different. Greece has only 12 million people but its far richer than Turkey (Turkish Gdp per ca pita = 15.000 us dollars and Greek = 32.000). Greece has 1,244 tanks. Greece vs. Turkey Conflict: ... with Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis telling Trump at the White House that Greece would win. Turkey has 610,000. Greece has 308 fighter jets and other planes, including 150 F-16’s according to Nation Master and Armed Forces.Eu. But Russia would surrender and retreat. But Greek fighter pilots are skilled, ranked the best in the world – one won the Top Gun honors – by NATO, the defense alliance to which both countries belong and which has refused to intervene. Greece has 39 attack helicopters. They would also give people more of a personal belonging to the nation and it's well being, you don't see that in a lot of Greeks these days. Then there's the daunting Greek Navy. Greeces military is smaller, but more modern. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. Russia has had had a lot of sanctions on them by the EU, and their economy is shrinking. [Phœnix - Φοῖνιξ, we don't really know; could be from the Greek adjective φοινός "blood-red", or an Egyptian or Phoenician loan], I think Greece hasn't exactly hot any state-of-the-art equipment, but I'm not sure at all, I know very, very few things about military, If Greece is the aggressor then Turkey wins and if Turkey is the aggressor then Greece wins.However nobody really wins in modern war.If you ask about which country is militarily superior then it's turkey in land and air but naval wise the greek ships are better than their counterparts and better manned however turkey has more resources than greece to supply her armies. Ambassador to Qatar and former political advisor to the Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Central Command, told The National Herald (he is a columnist for the paper) that Mitsotakis is correct in saying Greece would win. Turkey has 13. A FIREBRAND Turkish politician and ally of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has warned war with Greece is now "just a matter of time.". What is the outcome? It will spark a full blown war for sure. “Greece has a defensive posture in its armed forces. On 1v1 we (Greece) would lose. How would Cyprus fare during all that? It was a result of the Allied policy of imperialism operating in a foreign state, the military resources and powers of which were seriously under-estimated; it was provoked by the unwarranted invasion of a Greek army of occupation." Turkey has 465. “Greece has a defensive posture in its armed forces. If they attack any island I am pretty sure our mechanized units will move deep into eastern thrace. Greece has 159,000 armed forces personnel. That's the basic rule that this world goes by. Turkey and Serbia. is this constantinos leandros 2nd account? Obviously the government is terrified of organised and armed civilians though, because they could revolt more ea silly against the mainland government. Arnold J. Toynbee argues: "The war between Turkey and Greece which burst out at this time was a defensive war for safeguarding of the Turkish homelands in Anatolia. Russian Military is 3x bigger but Turkey can get its 500,000 troops to 10 million in a matter of weeks. and Ikaria residents by setting fire to all the marijuana fields and everybody will mellow out and chill. Anyway, something is yours to keep, only if you can defend it. “The only place where the Turks have done well is the employment of drones. “Too many of the new senior officers owe their promotion to their religious and political as well as their professional skills,” he said, a serious disadvantage in the heat of combat and the fog of war. He added “The forces of peace and fairness may not be loud but they are vigilant; they may not provoke but they know how to react.”, The historical archive of the National Herald, Greek Artist Created a Snow Sculpture of Poseidon in Astoria Park, Archdiocesan Cathedral Choir Presents First Ever Virtual Christmas Concert, Dr. Jane Goodall’s Message of Support to Animal Welfare Karpathos & Island’s Mayor. Greece does not have the power projection capability to occupy significant pieces of Turkish territory.”. My understanding is the Turkish military is MUCH larger, however a lot of their equipment is WW2 Era stuff. I would hope Greece would win of course. No doubt that Cyprus will one day be inflamed in war. So the real war would be in Eastern Thrace, where they have a numerical advantage for sure. But, said Theros, that's only if you “define winning as inflicting unacceptable casualties on Turkish forces and carrying the battle into Turkish territory. Neither has an aircraft carrier but share the Aegean and East Mediterranean, with Turkey disputing Greek waters and making a deal with Libya to divide the seas between them, Turkey planning to drill for energy off Crete. Greece has 11 submarines. They are ahead of the Greeks – who used to be more advanced – in this weapon. He said the Turkish military still hasn't recovered from the Erdogan purge and that senior officers have been replaced with younger officers in an army “that does not encourage free-thinking,” based on what American officers who took part in exercises with Turkish forces said. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, /r/KKE | 100 ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΚΟΜΜΟΥΝΙΣΤΙΚΟ ΚΟΜΜΑ ΕΛΛΑΔΟΣ. Don't forget that the countries are NATO allies and a war wouldn't really be possible as a deal would be brokered between them in case of a dispute. Greece also has a relatively strong army. (Photo by Eurokinissi/ Dimitris Papamitsos). “There are a lot problems with tactical doctrine and tactical employment in Turkish units,” he said, and the Turkish Armed Forces bought cheaper models for a lot of equipment, including tanks, that could limit their effectiveness. They will step in to minimize or stop the war,” he said. Do both countries have full availability of their assets? There has never been any love lost between Turkey and Greece, but the danger of war … Well Nato very possibly wouldn't get involved and Russia may not get involved for fear of invoking a Nato response. Greece in 2019 renewed a military cooperation deal with the United States and the U.S. Navy has a base at Souda Bay on Crete but President Donald Trump is cozy with Erdogan, whom he calls a friend and a “hell of a leader.” Still though, it would be impossible I think to defend the less popular island like Kos. Could Greece win? “The Aegean Theater is in theory a deadly trap for massive offensive Turkish moves. Missiles installed at the country’s west coast with range of 280 km could strike not only the Greek islands but also capital Athens. He said Turkey's advantage lies in vast manpower and reserves but that would take time to mobilize and the edge would be lost in a quick war or if NATO or the United States intervened to stop it before the conflict became too damaging. However there's no scenario where Greece would be involved in a war and not have allies, or where Turkey would invade Greece and not have multiple fronts to deal with simultaneously. Actually we have a pretty good chance of defending what is ours. On the other hand Turks are forced to keep big percentages of the Turkish army in Kurdish areas of SE Turkey , also in borders with Iraq due to PKK issue , and also in borders with Syria ( or IN Syria ) due to the Syrian war which they are already deep involved. Conflict Turkey and allies Opponents Results Turkish losses Military Civilian; War of Independence (1919–1923) Ankara Government Greece France Armenia … Estimated casualties : Turkey, 120.000 - Greece, 76.000. 11 Greece being a smaller country with a feeble economy cannot stand a prolonged war,” Ioannis Michaletos, an associate of the Institute for Defense & Security Analysis and the Mediterranean Center For Strategic Analysis and Intelligence in Athens told The National Herald. Is it an all out war or a limited conflict? Turkey has 3,763. “Turkey is still mostly using the 2A4 tank, whilst other NATO armies are using the more modern version with better armored protection and optics, which explains in part why Turkish tanks are performing so badly against an inferior opponent,” he said. Turkey would win air, land and sea battles. He announced the Greek Minister of Defense is ready to do anything to protect its sovereign rights, including military action against Ankara. ... a serious disadvantage in the heat of combat and the fog of war. Same will happen to Cyprus also. How does the geography affect a possible conflict? The divide between Turkey and Greece is too great and to much hatred for there to be any kind of permanent settlement of the Cyprus issue(and islands issues). Or do you think that could be achieved too? They could probably take half of them over night. A very good point. “NATO and the EU cannot stand and witness the mutual destruction of two long-standing members. Despite the fact that Greece's armed forces, like all of society, took budget cuts during a near decade-long economic and austerity crisis the country is only now pulling out of – before the unknown effects of the coronavirus, it wouldn't be one-sided, with Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis telling Trump at the White House that Greece would win. Is Turkish military stronger than Greek one? Everything else is irrelevant. Let's say that Turkey tries to take the islands and this sparks into full blown war. Greece 19-45 years of age for compulsory military service; during wartime the law allows for recruitment beginning January of the year of inductee's 18th birthday, thus including 17 year olds; 18 years of age for volunteers; conscript service obligation is 1 year for the Army and 9 months for the Air Force and Navy; women are eligible for voluntary military service. This means new ships, new planes, new artillery, etc etc... billions that we don't have but will have to find in the near future. It depends on the navy I guess. US Navy bombards Turkish and Greek positions to make both armies retreat. Is it only Greece vs Turkey with no third countries playing a part at all? I hate the idea of causes, and if I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country. It is different fighting for your land, your home, your family... compared to being the invader to a foreign land. ATHENS – No one wants it and most doubt it could happen but what would happen after a Turkish or Greek fighter pilot or Naval captain got an itchy trigger finger or an accidental conflict broke out over the seas, the skies or Turkey sending thousands of refugees and migrants to the Greek border and pushing provocations? But who would win a war between them. I'm not sure if they could take and hold many islands. Russia would mass produce planes and tanks. Greek Armed Forces (stage 3 of draft), 495.000. No other countries get involved. Greece gonna win it as having ALL its army focused on Turkey . Turkey bought Russian-made S-400 missile defense systems – from an enemy of NATO – but he said those are not yet operational and that purchase kept Turkey from being able to buy US F-35 fighter jets that are far superior to the F-16s. Greece is a relatively small country with a population of 11.5 million, while turkey has over 70 million. He said Erdogan, for all his bluster about coveting the return of Greek islands ceded in the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne that set borders, will likely stick with his strategy of opening the borders in hopes of trying to flood Greece with more refugees and migrants. Turkey says, no way. I agree on your measures. The winner will be decided by the great powers, mostly USA. Turkey vs Greece: War would 'set whole region in flames' - terrifying warning ANY confrontation between Turkey and Greece in the eastern Mediterranean could … Turkish Armed Forces, 846.000. A 'hybrid' war like the one we are witnessing now with the use of immigration and propaganda is more likely to continue,” he said. Is NATO, the US or Russia going to interfere at any point? On paper, it’s no match. Turkey only lost the war the Soviet Union an that was because all of the Turkish troops died of hypothermia or else the Russians were in deep trouble. If Greece is the aggressor then Turkey wins and if Turkey is the aggressor then Greece wins.However nobody really wins in modern war.If you ask about which country is militarily superior then it's turkey in land and air but naval wise the greek ships are better than their counterparts and better manned however turkey has more resources than greece to supply her armies. It would be a long fierce and aggressive battle and a war with very heavy casualties for both. “All the Greek Navy is geared against Turkey, whilst Turkey has to retain sizeable forces in the Black Sea and East Mediterranean sea theaters,” he said, with Turkish ships having to cross the Dardanelles Straits or Karpathos Straits which can be easily mined by Greek forces. War Between Greece and Turkey Is Now a Real Possibility. Patrick Theros, former U.S. Am I talking rubbish? I wouldn't call it though a victory. A war almost happened between Greece and Turkey in 1996! No Αυτοκράτωρ Κυριάκος pls. The will to fight differs. Tensions between Greece and Turkey have recently reached a decade-long-high after Ankara began the exploration … Aegean Islands such as Skyros, Limnos, and Samothraki he said are technically unsinkable aircraft bases like carriers with anti-aircraft systems, anti-ship missiles, soldiers, and air squadrons.”. It has come to relevance since Russia accused Turkey of assisting ISIS, followed by Turkey shooting down a Russian Jet. Yes Turkey have more firepower, but they couldn't deploy it as well. At least till now, this is not the case. Mitsotakis said Turkey is also underestimating Greece's resolve and mistaking his softer approach, preferring diplomacy. read more Casualties would be devastating for both sides. Full mobilization. Come on man, don't be naive. They risk being entrapped in myriads of islands from where they will be bombarded from all sides,” he said. Please let me know your opinions, in some detail if possible. This isn’t 100 years ago and war is now more sophisticated, electronic and swifter, with Greece and Turkey adjoining countries, further eclipsing the problems of moving people and equipment. Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων intensifies!Who's gonna be Emperor though? It can defend…its territory as long as the 'war' does not drag on for a long time. The Greeks recognize the threat and have devoted considerable resources to dealing with it,” he said. I believe Turkey will win the war of attrition (at least on paper), both are evenly matched in quality in relation to equipment, in terms of training im not to sure. NATO isn't a guarantee of peace. Turkey has a much larger navy than Israel, but if it came to a full scale war (and in the absence of US intervention on Israel's behalf, or a nuclear exchange,) the outcome would be anyone's guess. It will be though if we don't start investing in defence. Greece—backed by the EU, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates—says the numerous islands it possesses in the area gives it sovereignty over the disputed waters. They (Turkey) might have a superiority in numbers (after all, they are a larger country), but numbers alone cannot define a military outcome unless there is a great imbalance to the power game. Cyprus is … Does the PKK magically disappear, releasing all the forces in eastern Turkey for operations? So what would happen if a conflict, accidental or otherwise, did break out? “A conventional war is unlikely. Day 20. “Our calm stance toward these aggressive transgressions from the East should not be misunderstood or underestimated,” he said, Kathimerini reported. Erdogan-loyal newspapers in Turkey have worked out war scenarios with what weapon they will attack Greece. FILE- Greek PM Kyriakos Mitsotakis meets with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in London. This could be decisive, but Turkey could quite easilly take and hold a few islands I think. Turkey is a big power in southeastern Mediterranean with 70 m. people and a strong Army. “In case the war drags on Turkey will increase its numerical strength and create major issues for Greek defense strategy,” which would have trouble reaching the Turkish capital Ankara with missiles. Organised militias would be more useful than random armed civilians, and could also be utilised for other emergencies: Wildfires, Refugee Management etc. One more thing that people disregard easily is the moral high ground and its effect on both sides. When Turkish jets regularly violate Greek airspace, Greek pilots engage them in mock dogfights, the Turkish skill level said to have been decimated when Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan purged the military after a failed 2016 coup attempt against him. For some idiotic reason, let us assume the war goes on. Turkey has 36. Maybe no one knows. Turkey vs France, United States, Soviet Union, Great Britain, Greece, Austria, Australia, China, and dozens of African countries that were colonized by the French and British.